there are a lot of places to make money in a near zero interest rate environment. >> the low interest rates which the federal reserve told us are going to be that way until 2015 are also hurting savers. >> they absolutely are. it creates inflation risk. yes, people are being penalized. the return they get, if they're investing their savings someplace safe, the return they're getting is not keeping pace with inflation. every year they're losing money. and so, of course, that creates incentives to go and invest in riskier assets. that's what we had with the crisis. we had very low interest rates then. not nearly as low as they are now. people were looking for return with subprime mortgages. it creates incentives which create significant risk for the system. i think the fed is proceeding with the best of intentions. i think the risks of what we're doing are tremendous and the benefits are incremental at best. >> it's been about the fed providing all the stimulus. what kind of fiscal policy would you like to see? >> the solutions are not hard. it's having the political will to do that. ne